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		<title>Hayes Stroker Grams Review</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian Mullin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been out cranking and bashing away on a pair of Hayes Stroker Gram disc brakes for almost a year now on my Ibis Mojo. Although they are not the lightest pair of brakes I have used in the ever expanding weight weenie disc brake world, they are quite powerful, with excellent fade resistance. [...]]]></description>
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<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Hayes Grams front with rotor" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/SltYO8-1AiI/AAAAAAAAKRM/Bm_0R2Bsi10/s800/DSC01631.JPG" alt="" width="800" height="600" /></p>
<p>I have been out cranking and bashing away on a pair of Hayes Stroker Gram disc brakes for almost a year now on my Ibis Mojo. Although they are not the lightest pair of brakes I have used in the ever expanding  weight weenie disc brake world, they are quite powerful, with excellent fade resistance.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Hayes Logo" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/S3CxfutS1rI/AAAAAAAATvg/Ta2tlfF_Sik/hayeslogo.jpg" alt="" width="241" height="90" /><strong><br />
Hayes Company</strong><br />
Hayes Brake has been in the brake technology business since 1946, and their brakes are used on everything from all-terrain vehicles, bicycles, construction equipment, motorcycles, riding mowers, tractors, snowmobiles and utility vehicles. Their work was extended to the mountain bike market in 1997 when Hayes Disc Brake was formed, and this group eventually morphed into the vast Hayes Bicycle Group, which includes Wheelsmith spokes, Sun Ringle wheels, Answer bike parts and Manitou shocks.</p>
<p><strong>Hayes Stroker Grams</strong><br />
The Stroker Grams is the lightest of the Hayes Stroker series (5 versions), and they have been designed and marketed towards the cross country riding user group. Each kit includes the brake, a rotor, a mini bleed kit, carbon levers, alloy backed pads (semi-metallic) and a full titanium bolt kit. They are available in 140, 160, 180, 203, 224 mm sized rotors, and come with an appropriate sized post mount adapter. The master cylinder and caliper are made with aluminum, and use Kevlar hoses, and Hayes high temp DOT4 brake fluid. They are only available in the Lucky Black color (soon a white version), which has a sort of cool looking speckled finish. To minimize weight, Hayes removed as much of the already minimal lever body as possible, and on the master cylinder, they used finite element analysis, removing as much non-structural and redundant material as possible.</p>
<p><em>Finite element analysis (FEA) is a numerical technique for finding approximate solutions of partial differential equations (PDE) as well as of integral equations. In a structural simulation using computers, FEA helps tremendously in producing stiffness and strength visualizations and also in minimizing weight, materials, and costs. In a nutshell, it does mesh discretization of a continuous domain (the body or structure) into a set of discrete sub-domains (elements).</em></p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Hayes Grams front closeup" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/S3EhUnCB0_I/AAAAAAAATzY/Rs6KiYNCcSA/s800/DSC01632.JPG" alt="" width="800" height="600" /></p>
<p>My usual long term brakes have been the Magura Marta SL brakes. I have a set of the 2007 Marta SL&#8217;s and recently got a brand new set of the Marta SL  Mags, which use the larger Louise brake pads and much improved caliper system. The Marta SL&#8217;s are my main brain comparison and cross referencing brake, although I have used most of the current lighter brake systems for short periods of time.</p>
<p>Although the lines were a tad long on my bike, I never did get around to bleed them (lazy), but they are supposedly easier to bleed then previous Hayes brakes?</p>
<p><strong>Impressions</strong><br />
The Stroker Grams are very easy to install since they use a split clamping system, and have a symmetrical flip flop design. The flip flop design means you can put the brake levers on either side of the handlebars, which is great if you are like me, and want your front brake in the motorcycle mode (on the right). One pain with the Marta SL&#8217;s is they lack the split clamp system, so to swap out brakes I have to remove the grips and shifters, which is a royal pain in the wazoo. They are a bit clunky looking, but retain a certain charm, and I did like the speckled black finish.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Hayes Grams Lever" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/S3Ebmrs13gI/AAAAAAAATx8/9AiKbmKm4Fk/s800/DSC01630.JPG" alt="" width="800" height="600" /></p>
<p><em>Measured Specs</em><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Rear (line, caliper and lever) &#8211; 57 inch line:  247.4 grams<br />
Front (line, caliper and lever)  &#8211; 34 inch line: 231.1 grams<br />
180 Hayes rotor &#8211; 151.7 grams<br />
160 Hayes rotor &#8211; 114.7 grams<br />
180 Hayes adapter &#8211; 10.1 grams<br />
180 Hayes adapter bolts &#8211; 15.8 grams<br />
Rotor bolts (titanium) &#8211; 7.2 grams<br />
Caliper bolts (titanium) &#8211; 7.7 grams</p>
<p>The levers have a small adjuster knob that allows you to alter the reach, although it was a bit difficult to adjust them on the fly while riding. I really liked the feel of the lever in my hand, it was extremely comfortable and ergonomic. The brakes performed admirably, and they were very fade resistant, even on extremely long downhills. I abused them regularly on one of my local steep rides, in which I ride the brakes pretty hard and quite frequently, and all I could get them to do is make a low guttural grit sound.</p>
<p>Like any brake, when they get wet with rain or snow, they squeal and howl for a bit, but it seems to be short lived. They do make a deep gritty sound, especially when grabbing a good handful of brake. Their power loss when they were extremely wet was noticeable, but not significant.<br />
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I did find that the levers were just a bit flexible, and it took a long amount of stroke before the lever actually engaged, which made them feel a bit spongy until you really pried hard on the lever. Their modulation was good, though they could be a bit grabby, and you really needed to grab a good handful of brakes to get the power coming from the system, but they were quite powerful when you needed them. One thing that they seem to lack is an ability of lightly feathering the brakes, something that is nice to have in some technical terrain. Another quality was their lack of drag from the pads, which is always a slight issue on my Marta&#8217;s. <em>My overall highlight would be to call them powerful, with a good bite, a tad grabby, excellent fade resistance, with good modulation.</em></p>
<p>The brake pads are easy to take out, even with the wheels still on the bike. However, during re-installation I sometimes had some issues getting the little spring to pop back in properly on the piston. If it doesn&#8217;t pop back in just right, then things won&#8217;t line up, and you&#8217;ll get rubbing on the rotors.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Hayes pads and brake clips" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/S3DP32yTkRI/AAAAAAAATwo/fN1olH8N5Mk/hayes_pad_clips.jpg" alt="" width="800" height="300" /></p>
<p>I was initially a bit apprehensive about the levers getting damaged since they sort of stick out from the body, but that turned out to not be the case. I have taken a few good diggers, and twisted handlebars in some strange contortions,  and the levers have survived without a scratch. I think the flexing levers might help protect themselves, since they can subtly move, which prevent them from breaking or getting damaged.</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter" title="Hayes Grams Rear" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/SltYS3UR2lI/AAAAAAAAKRU/65NGc07t8bc/s800/DSC01635.JPG" alt="" width="800" height="600" /><br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Bottomline</span><br />
The Stroker Grams are a moderately light brake in comparison to their weight weenie competition, yet they are powerful, and seem not to fade on long downhills or during extended hard braking. The levers are a touch flexible, and along with a long throw, they have a spongy feel, but a robust handful makes the brakes work just fine. Their main downfall is that they can be a bit grabby on slow technical terrain, so you need to modulate them properly. In regard to their noise levels, they rarely squeal, but can make a deep gritty sound.</p>
<p>The Hayes Stroker Grams are a fine brake, are well made, and have good attributes and features, and they would be a nice addition to any bike.</p>
<p>Strengths<br />
-Excellent fade resistance<br />
-Lever has good comfortable feel in the hand<br />
-Good power<br />
-Ti hardware<br />
-Pad replacement without taking off the wheel</p>
<p>Weaknesses<br />
-Bit grabby<br />
-Not the lightest of the weight weenie<br />
-Slight gritty sound</p>
<p><img class="alignnone" title="3 out of 4 stars" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/S2FQ6NFDfRI/AAAAAAAATPs/9ufNIkv0rqI/3thumbs.jpg" alt="" width="189" height="62" /></p>
<p><strong>MSRP</strong> $280-$310</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ebikestop.com/disc_brakes_disc_brake_caliper_and_lever_sets%29%29360.php?PARTNER=pastajet"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/S3H5u7UX7rI/AAAAAAAAT0w/5PofT1-usgk/ebikeshop.jpg" alt="" /><span style="font-size: small; color: blue;">Purchase from eBikeStop.com</span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Hayes url:</span> <a href="http://www.hayesdiscbrake.com/" target="_blank">www.hayesdiscbrake.com</a> <span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Hayes specs</span><br />
-Titanium hardware<br />
-Carbon Lever Blade with tool free adjust<br />
-Radial, Symmetrical; Aluminum Master Cylinder<br />
-Two-piece aluminum caliper, Caliper positioning window, titanium bridge bolts<br />
-Semi-metallic pads with aluminum backing<br />
-Kevlar wrap hose<br />
-Hayes high temp DOT4 hydraulic fluid<br />
-535 sq mm pad size<br />
-6-bolt T-25 rotor bolt pattern<br />
-Rotor sizes 140 (rear), 160, 180, 203<br />
-Published Weight: 355 g(160mm rotor), 339 g(140mm rotor)</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Brian Mullin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I was at the Interbike 2009 show, I dropped by the Ashima booth, and had a nice conversation with the main man of Ashima, Wayne Moore. Wayne had on display a set of their new PCB brakes, and some colored rotors. The lightweight AiRotors brake rotor now comes in red, black, blue, yellow, and [...]]]></description>
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<p><span>While I was at the Interbike 2009 show, I dropped by the Ashima booth, and had a nice conversation with the main man of Ashima, Wayne Moore. Wayne had on display a set of their new PCB brakes, and some colored rotors. The lightweight AiRotors brake rotor now comes in red, black, blue, yellow, and white! I got a trick set of the red ones to test out, and I must say that the colors really add to their uniqueness.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StF-Xy6WNOI/AAAAAAAANnk/TvK8cEPPxbQ/s800/IMG_0603.JPG"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StF-Xy6WNOI/AAAAAAAANnk/TvK8cEPPxbQ/s800/IMG_0603.JPG" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />
Initially, Ashima had recommended running the AiRotors in a reverse direction in comparison to other rotors, so instead of the struts rolling against the direction of rotation they go with it. The reasons were <span>that the AiRotors lightweight struts perform significantly better under tension, since under compression, they are subject to bending forces. </span><span>After some more research and analysis, Wayne decided that the normal rotor direction performed better, so &#8220;reverse was worse&#8221;.</span></p>
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<p><span>Their new brakes are very radical and innovative. The PCB or PanCake Brake has no pistons, and instead operates using a diaphragm seal.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StF-gA5w-_I/AAAAAAAANoM/kFeld7TgCIs/s512/IMG_0599.JPG"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StF-gA5w-_I/AAAAAAAANoM/kFeld7TgCIs/s800/IMG_0599.JPG" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />
The design is very simple, lightweight, and has very thin calipers (25mm). The piston less design, gives an excellent response, simpler manufacturing, and has an equivalent area of a 20mm piston. The PCB just became a Design Award Winner at the Eurobike Show, so congratulations to Ashima for that achievement. A split pin with a center spring keeps the pads held against the diaphragm covers.</p>
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</span><a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StKOcH_wvmI/AAAAAAAANr0/YHa0BTPW5AI/s800/IMG_0618.JPG"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StKOcH_wvmI/AAAAAAAANr0/YHa0BTPW5AI/s800/IMG_0618.JPG" border="0" alt="" /></a></p>
<p><span>The red piping aids fluid transfer between the sides of the caliper, and should help with cooling. Wayne gave me a beta sample to test out and review, so it will be interesting to see how they perform? My short trip up and down the street after installation showed some promise, so I can&#8217;t wait to thrash them on some steep local terrain.</span></p>
<p><span><span>Ashima PCB measured sample spec</span><br />
Front:<br />
weight -185.9  grams<br />
hose length &#8211; 29 inches<br />
Rear:<br />
weight &#8211; 209.9 grams<br />
</span><span>hose length &#8211; </span><span>57.5 inches</span></p>
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<a href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StGBYa4ceEI/AAAAAAAANpE/HlsZAgjAbbo/s800/IMG_0600.JPG"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StGBYa4ceEI/AAAAAAAANpE/HlsZAgjAbbo/s800/IMG_0600.JPG" border="0" alt="" /></a><a href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StF-V59xcXI/AAAAAAAANnc/b-5led7Vov4/s512/IMG_0602.JPG"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_z2s_w5rHJAg/StF-V59xcXI/AAAAAAAANnc/b-5led7Vov4/s800/IMG_0602.JPG" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />
I really liked the PCB color combination with the red piping and accents, since it really worked well with all the red highlighting and my red/black DT Swiss EXC 150 fork on my Ibis Mojo. </span></p>
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<p><span>Wayne has another brake in the works, the 4 pot APVS (Ashima Power Valve System). It has four pistons comprised of two pairs of axially mounted pistons. When the brake lever is lightly pulled (initial braking ), two 14mm pistons are engaged, and as a more progressive and firmer force (higher loads) is applied two 22mm pistons engage. It means it has the equivalent of 26mm pistons. This design results in better modulation with less pulling force. The red piping (same as the PCB) aids fluid transfer and cooling. The design sounds very trick, and I can&#8217;t wait to see how it performs on the trails.</span></p>
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